It's just that the 7mm-08 Remington a more ballistically efficient cartridge.Perhaps I should apologize for pointing this out so often (like in this blog. I have never lost an Elk that I've shot at, some were at close range others at yardage I won't even mention. I have used .338 250 IL spire points at 2700 fps on 3 elk, seen what 7mm 175 gr IL do to elk at 2700 fps and 2900 fps,and 30 cal 180 gr IL in round nose and spire points at 2700 and 3000 fps. Those bullets open wide but don't penetrate really well. Powder capacity remains the same, so the 7mm-08 propels a lighter, narrower, higher B.C. I believe this was the first elk taken with it. are not surprising. 308 vs 30/06, 280 ai vs 7mm/08 , all you really give up is a 100-150 yards at the far end of their range. I guess all I can say about the 7mm 08 with the right bullet and bullet weight - used in the right manner it can kill HUMANELY a lot further then given credit. Again. After 38 years of guiding and outfitting elk hunters in western Colorado I long ago came to this same conclusion. Coyote Hunting - From 10 Yards to over 1,000 Yards. That is unless you are hunting parrie dogs or ground squirls but then you don't need all that power. If you窶况e never been to his site I highly recommend it. JavaScript is disabled. Nathan has complied real world data on killing of game with all manners of bullets and provides some good insight. I have a lot more experience with the 154 Hornady which I prefer but the 140 PH is a good bullet nonetheless. My only warning is watch building a really light 308 , sticking a full throttle 180 grain load in it and handing it to a kid! Opening day of deer season comes only once a year. Commercial hunting loads for the 7mm-08 have bullets that range up to 160 grains while.308 ammunition tops at about 185 grains, and with bullets from 150 to 160 grains, the 7mm-08 will outperform the.308. It could bust your butt if you weren窶冲 ready for it. For target practice you can reduce the power in the loads to where you can practice a lot more and then when it comes to hunting you can put in that full power load for that extra range and knock down when you need it. Dec 6, 2019 #16. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The 6.5 Creedmoor is built for long-range shooting and is compatible with short-action firearms. No real need for magnums until you窶决e getting past 5-600 yards. The 7mm-08 is plenty with 140 grain bullets for good shots into the boiler room under 300 yds. Academically, the 7mm-08 fires a 140-grain, .284-inch diameter pill at 2800 fps, resulting in 2,400 ft.-lbs. The main difference between 6.5 and 7mm-08 ammunition revolves around velocity, penetration power, and target type. I guess no one here shoots bergers since target bullets shouldnt be used on game. of energy, although many newer factory loads such Hornady’s Superformance produce around 2950 fps for 2650 ME. by William Elkins (St. Pete, FL USA) I purchased a Browning 7mm Rem Mag A-Bolt Stalker 2, will this be a capable elk gun?I also equipped it with talley rings & mounts and the Zeiss Conquest 4.5 x 14 x 50mm AO MC AND #20z-plex reticle with target turret. It could bust your butt if you weren’t ready for it. The 7mm08 is a cartridge that serves both youths and adults well, is mild to shoot in suitable platforms and is ideal for a vast range of applications. I wouldn't suggest using a 7mm-08 for elk. If you shoot elk with Texas heart shots (NOT ADVISED) then man up and use a 338 Win MAG. He'll be using the same again this fall on a … For most of the hunting I do with a 7mm-08 or 7x57—always at reasonable ranges —I’m pretty happy with how modern 140-grain hunting bullets perform, including on elk and on the general run of African plains game. A few used 窶�06窶冱 and a very few used magnums, mostly the city guys that came out and most of them couldn窶冲 hit a bull in the butt with a hand full of rice. Let’s look at those assumptions a bit closer in the following table. Then a Montana guide came chimed in with his experience with elk and the 7/08. 7mm-08 vs. 308 Winchester – Stopping Power Last but not least, let’s talk about the stopping power differences between the 7mm and the .308. 7mm-08 Remington Even though there are a lot of factors that come into play and have an influence over how the precision is in the field, the Remington cartridge basically is known as giving a good reputation for itself. Mag.) Now don't get me wrong the 7mm-08 is a good round and if I had one I would use it but you really can't compare it with the magnums since it will run out of horsepower just when the magnums are starting to shine. Here’s a golden rule to follow for big game hunting : you will want your caliber to generate a minimum of one thousand feet per pounds of force sin order to bring down deer, elk, moose, and bear. IC … The 7mm-08 and .25-06 are hardly ever mentioned as all-around calibers, yet here they are. I would imagine I would have to take shots closer than 300 yards and probably closer to 200 yards with proper shot placement. The 7mm-08 is a fine rifle round for elk. will take an Elk even out beyond 300 Meters. btw my 17 yr old daughter would take offense to your prima donna statement of .... "its his niece your comment is irrelevant" since she and her girlfriends are totally capable of baking a cake or crushing a bull from 300 or 1200 yards at will. As for power, I’ve routinely used a 20-inch-barreled Remington Model Seven in 7mm-08 Rem. The 7mm-08 is plenty with 140 grain bullets for good shots into the boiler room under 300 yds. The top four cartridges (.30-06, .308, .270 and 7mm Rem. Avoid the 140 grain Ballistic Tip. This keeps the urine from soaking in the ground and can be refreshed on each trip if needed. I am having trouble justifying the purchase of a 300wsm for this coming elk season. shots out to 300 yards shouldn't stop you. Jester896 28 Nosler,,,,300WSM,,,,338-378 Wby,,,,375 Ruger. They are cheap electrochemically plated bonds designed for deer hunting. As some of the world niftiest compact rifles are chambered in 7mm-08 Remington bullets, the round fares well against dense vegetation. .30-06. The one thing I would do which I am sure you already now...is preactice practice practice.....while the caliber is not the 300 a well placed bukllet will put a cow or bull down with no problems. In my opinion it all boils down to penetrating the tougher bone mass of such a big animal. Obviously, it depends on what you want to do. Gun Parts - Stocks, Barrels, Actions, etc. He will be shooting a Ruger American in 7mm-08. Academically, the 7mm-08 fires a 140-grain, .284-inch diameter pill at 2800 fps, resulting in 2,400 ft.-lbs. There is lots to be said about accuracy and shooter skill. I窶况e gone back to 窶徭tandard窶� cartridges like the .284 and 7-08 I currently hunt with. It is hard to compare a tailor made hand load with a factory offering no matter what the caliber. One needs to shoot well and not take the questionable shots. just practice! Anytime a fellow is using a deer cartridge on elk, I'd think he ought to make sure he's using a good bullet and placing his shots well. But, I understand external and terminal ballistics. Of course, the magnum crowds had their flame throwers pointed at the advocates of the non magnum crowds. I have seen quite a few hunters use it for both deer and elk and as you said if you keep the … A few members here were strongly opposed to my opinion. Really. It is kind of like using a 243 it works, but it isn't the best option. The 7mm-08 rifle he’d shot since his preteen years did all he needed. Nothing personal against the 308 Winchester. Would a 7mm-08 used on elk be comparable to a .22-250 on deer? 7mm-08 is a fine round for elk. Practically all were one shot boiler room shots, and very few made it to 50yds. The 12 Best Cartridges for Elk Hunting. While assessing different cartridges, you could have a general idea about their characteristics if you carefully research their development history. Best Elk hunting caliber Barnes TSX 140gr Yes, the 7mm-08 Remington is A GOOD CHOICE for elk hunting, under average conditions, from a mid-range distance, with a medium grain expanding bullet, and with correct shot placement. Shot placement is more important than the bullet. Layne used a Nosler Model 48 Liberty in 7mm-08 and Nosler factory ammo with the 140-grain Ballistic Tip bullet to take this mule deer in northern Utah. of energy, although many newer factory loads such Hornady’s Superformance produce around 2950 … And of course, keep my shots at the 350yd max distance. Nevertheless, the 7mm08 retains a number of fans, many having hunted with this cartridge for most of their hunting careers. Sarah Arrington gives you a first hand look at her favorite gun, a Howa Model 1500 in 7mm.08 shooting 139gr. That being said, when I do my elk hunt one day, I will more than likely reload my ammo with a more controlled expanding bullet such as the accubonds ot the barnes triple shock. Like the rest here I think the 7mm-08 is an OK round for elk. Please don't be the guy who says hey you didn't listen to the OP - I most certainly did. I use the 7mm-08 year around shooting varmints, pronghorns, deer, elk, and anything in season. My .300, 338, and .358 magnums would shoot through an elk end to end with the right bullets, but I was taught not to take those shots. I had a cute little model 7 in 308. I like the 7mm-08 a lot better. It pretty much flew under the radar for years, with a few rifles and loads offered and an occasional mention in the shooting and hunting media. A missed shot is a missed shot no matter how big the gun is. At 100 yards I can shoot the teeth off a plastic fork one at a time. I disagree. Obviously, it depends on what you want to do. I have a system I use in Whitetail hunting during the rut that seems to work for me. I managed to find one more bull there when the .270 WSM came to market. So the decision has been made, and Paula is already stopping in at our local club’s indoor .22 range on Wednesday evenings, looking forward to spring when she takes it outside with the 7mm-08 and starts extending her shooting range out to 200 and … That is plenty of speed and energy for deer at any distance.It’s also a comparatively light-kicking round. Magnums extend our range by a few to several hundred yards but the capability of cartridges like our subject 7-08 greatly exceed the ability of probably over 90% of hunters. But that must be taken with a grain of salt, as not each situation will be the same, and an elk or moose will be best handled by the heavier 160 or 175-grain 7mm bullet better than it will … A century ago, bullets were just getting used to high speed. I have drawn a 2016 cow elk tag for the Grizzly Unit in central Oregon. Try a 7mm mag, or even a 300 RUM. 308 for elk is a good caliber for this type of gun. I have a friend that's taken over 20 Elk using one rifle a .308. Remington R25 7mm-08 20" Fluted, Mossy Oak Treestand Camo. Shooting from about 150 yards, he put one Trophy Bonded Bear Claw 140-grain SP behind the ribcage on the left flank. Find a tough cartridge for one of the most prized and toughest hooved big game animals around. Find a tough cartridge for one of the most prized and toughest hooved big game animals around. Also, the biggest bull that I ever mounted as a professional taxidermist for 25 years was killed with a drop dead heart shot by a 16 year old who was using a .243 with a partition bullet. I've killed elk with a 30-30. I'll start something now, I've taken Elk with a .243, .270, 7mm-08, 7mm Mag, 30-06, and a 300 H&H. Hey gang, I have been reading your forum for a while but this is my first post. Wind drift for the 7mm-08 load is 2.4 inches less at 400 yards than it is for the.308, too. I can't do this with my 7 mag. on 200- to 300-pound wild boars on my land in Oklahoma, and as long as the bullet is a premium, controlled expansion type, I have no problem dropping them where they stand, including when shot through their armored shoulders. Layne used a Nosler Model 48 Liberty in 7mm-08 and Nosler factory ammo with the 140-grain Ballistic Tip bullet to take this mule deer in northern Utah. Post Cancel. Comment. bullet faster. I`d say, pick the rifle you happen to like the best and live with whichever of the two cartridges comes with it. But Western Cartridge Company’s Lubaloy jacket, comprising 90 percent copper, 8 percent zinc and 2 percen… You must log in or register to reply here. The low recoil of the 7/08 gave the youngsters quite a bit more confidence in shooting the rifle (just ask the steel sillouette shooters why the have a love affair with the 7/08). At 140 grains, the 6.5 has an S.D. 7mm-08 Rem 139 gr InterLock® SP American Whitetail® Item #8057 | 20/Box . I think it's a grood cartridge. That big bull elk was a whole lot bigger than any deer I've ever shot, and took a lot more work to take care of after the shot. 7mm-08 RemingtonSometime in 1958, a certain 7mm/308 Winchester wildcat round was developed and as the name suggests, people made it simply by necking down a standa… Dec 6, 2019 #16. of energy, although many newer factory loads such Hornady’s Superformance produce around 2950 fps for 2650 ME. In my opinion, it is a very good round for elk. It is a bolt- action rifle, it is chambered in short action 7mm-08 REM, 243 win. Now we are a pretty dedicated and skilled bunch of marksmen and women here, but so often I see claims that the 7-08, etc., are marginal at best and only suited to a few hundred yard. Always. If you're tempted by a cheap bullet, go for the 150 grain Speer Hot Core loaded by federal. I'll start something now, I've taken Elk with a .243, .270, 7mm-08, 7mm Mag, 30-06, and a 300 H&H. In terms of cheap factory loads, I'd avoid the Remington 140 Core-Lokt 140 Power Point and 140 Balllistic Silvertip, but would consider the Federal 150 grain loaded with the Speer Hot Core. The 7mm-08 case is just the 308 case necked down to hold the narrower bullet. I’ll admit right off the bat; I’ve got a serious bias towards the .30-06 as the world’s greatest … which is not that much harder-hitting than the 7mm/08. By Joseph von Benedikt. I have seen quite a few hunters use it for both deer and elk and as you said if you keep the range within reason there should be no problem. 7mm-08 is alot flatter shooting and is a great cartridge for any thin skinned game Updated: May 10, 2019. If you handload the 7mm-08 it can be very effective. Well, I can do the same thing with a 340 Weatherby or my 7mm mag with reduced loads. 20 inch pencil thin barrel. So I guess if you have the right juju it can be done. It also features a trigger that is adjustable and releases at 3.6 to 4 pounds. On another site, there was quite a long flaming thread about the 7/08 being used on elk. But, if you want to hunt bigger and/or tougher species like elk, moose, big-bodied black bears, and the like, I feel the 7mm-08 Remington has a bit more versatility than does the Creedmoor design. With 140-grain Nosler Partitions, if you aim your 7mm-08 at an elk's vitals correctly and pull the trigger, you can be confident that the least of your worries will be the performance of the bullet on the terminal end! It was a thread changing post. Elk hunting cartridges and calibers, at least in Randy Newberg's opinion, does not require super magnums. Will the 7mm-08 with the proper bullet do the job? The 7mm-08 is good for hunting just about any game in North America up to and including moose and elk. Still. It's plenty of bullet. I would rather pay for a high end bullet that will work than skimp on ammo. In closing the ELDM is capable of killing up to Elk size game from point blank 100 yards out to 1100 AS LONG AS it is not moving too fast out of the Muzzle. Warbird2006...."please read what I stated" I was clear if the ELDM is moving at moderate velocities 2600-2700+ fps it is capable of point blank range kills and out to distances most can't fathom. What I found interesting were numbers four and five on the list above. So the decision has been made, and Paula is already stopping in at our local club’s indoor .22 range on Wednesday evenings, looking forward to spring when she takes it outside with the 7mm-08 and starts extending her shooting range out to 200 and then 300 yards (she’s already pretty darn good at … Opening day of deer season comes only once a year. 308 vs 30/06, 280 ai vs 7mm/08 , all you really give up is a 100-150 yards at the far end of their range. Its all about the shooter. example 2600- 2700 fps is all that bullet needs even for "NIECES" < my daughter wanted me to add that part lol. After all the bullet is the final connection between you and the animal. I still love my magnums but for cross canyon shots and long range marmots. accubond and you should be fine. I will be taking my 12-yr-old grandson along as a mentored youth hunter. OUT OF STOCK (0) Ruger American All-Weather Compact Bolt 7mm-08 Rem 18" 4+1 Synt. Not that many years ago, the .308 was the standard silhouette cartridge. The 7mm-08 matches or exceeds it AND is an inherently accurate round with 140 grain bullets. It is kind of like using a 243 it works, but it isn't the best option. .243 is usually under 100. First let me say that I have never been elk hunting let alone shot one. I was in favor of it on a previous lengthy and warm discussion a few months ago. In his little article he says " I can shoot up 3 boxes at the range with no blue shoulder. 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